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April 12, 2005

The President's iPod

The "big" news today is that someone leaked the song list of President Bush's iPod. I've found no list, yet, of what the songs actually were, and I suspect that the topic is, in the final analysis, really quite boring.

What isn't boring is what people around the world are suggesting on this BBC news report should be on his song list:

I'm a Loser, by Beck
Stephen, NY, USA

Ozzy Osbourne's "Thank God for the Bomb" would be appropriate.
Mark, Ausitn, TX

The imperial march from Star Wars
Thomas Bloxham, Birmingham

Eminem's "Criminal."
Dave, Kansas City, USA

Green Day's American Idiot.
Marianne, Harare, Zimbabwe

"Check Your Head" by Beastie Boys
Paul Serwinski, New Britain, CT, USA

I reckon he should be listening to Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On, a great song, and an apt title for him.
Buffy, Parma, Italy

How about "Let Down" by Radiohead, and a bit of "Karma Police"
Damien, London, UK

A.K.A. I.D.I.O.T. by the Hives
Andy, Richmond, Surrey

Bob Dylan's...'Hit the Road Jack'.
David Anderson, Belfast, Northern Ireland

You can beat a metal reference from the 80s. How about 'Demolition Man' by Def Leppard. Rock on, George!
Dan Oliver, Bath, UK

How about 'Glorious Fool' by John Martyn all about another old former White House resident called Ronald.
Gary R-H, Henley on Thames, UK

How about "Waiting for an alibi" by Thin Lizzy?
LA

ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayitsworldwouldfallapart, repeat (stars and stripes) by the Manic Street Preachers, Another Man's Cause by the Levellers
Tom Stagles, Eindhoven

Nine Inch Nails, 'the hand that feeds'.
Jo, UK

How about "Day Dreamer" that sounds about right for this Chap.
Mark Ames, London

Army Dreamers by his name-sake Kate Bush. "Shoulda been a politician but he never had a proper education. What a waste..."
Chris, London

'Beautiful People' - Marilyn Manson (Antichrist Superstar). 'The Unforgiven II' - Metallica (Reload). 'The Kids Aren't Alright' - The Offspring (Americana). And, of course 'American Idiot' - Green Day
Mark, Brighton, UK

[No you won't fool] The Children of the Revolution by T.Rex
rz, NH, US

"Bedtime for Democracy" by Dead Kennedys.
Thorfinn, Hertford, England

How about Blondie-Atomic? Or the final countdown, maybe? Or even 'It ain't over till it's over'?
Joss, Bristol, UK

Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon
Maude, USA

W should listen to "The Terror State" by Anti-Flag and "eMotive" by a Perfect Circle. And a LOT of Clash might do him some good. It's a bit too late for music to save him now, though.
Holly Henschen, Charleston, Illinois

'Deliverance' - The Best of Banjo
S Mason, London

Star Spangled Banner, Hendrix. Thirty six years on and we're questioning that all American righteousness, again.
Fabio, Rome

"Where is the Love?" by Black Eyed Peas
Shawna Brown, Rochester, NY

Happiness is a warm gun - The Beatles
Paul Buchan, Johannesburg, South Africa

Surely it has to include 'Charmless Man' by Blur.
John Paine, Hampshire, UK

Scissor Sisters "Comfortably Numb".
Gary, Runcorn, UK

Poor Misguided Fool by Starsailor.
Jackson Taylor, Glasgow

Oil by Asian Dub Foundation.
Brian Hamburger, New Orleans, USA

He should listen to Black Eyed Peas- 'Where is the the love' to remind him of universal brotherhood, love and care.
Adeyanju Apejoye, Kano, Nigeria

"War?" from System of a Down
Dru, Newcastle

Surely "The Teletubbies' Greatest Hits"?
Stefan, Strasbourg, France

The Clash's "I'm So Bored With The USA", War's "Why Can't We Be Friends" and Johnny Cash's "Folsom Prison Blues"
Tricky, Aberystwyth

Good for him. How about some Celtic rock to get the blood pumping? And to all the sarcastic lefties, get off the computer and get some exercise, maybe you'll lose some weight and improve your mood.
Tim Seeley, Manitoba, Canada

Bang & Blame by R.E.M.
Joel Guerin, Ancaster, Canada

"United States Of Whatever" by Liam Lynch!
Warren, Cyprus

Us and Them by Pink Floyd.
Tony Peters, London

Hail to the thief by Radiohead
Pradeep, UK

Bob The Builder - Can we fix it?
Oli Else, Godalming, Surrey, UK

"Let's stay together" by the Rev. Al Green You cannot be angry with the world when you are listening to the R 'n' B master. And definitely "I am in love with the world" by Chicken Shed... (this was on the Princess Diana memorial album) - both these should calm him down.
Dodie, Toronto, Canada

Greenday, American Idiot!
Max Thompson, Hastings

American Idiot (Greenday) - How fitting.
Adam, Birmingham

Green Day - American Idiot. (He probably loves it...)
Martin, Manchester, England

'Why can't we be friends' by Smash Mouth
John, Dublin

Doors "Riders on the storm" or "The End" would be good for him and his bicycle ride.
Marko, Zagreb, Croatia

Green Day's latest album, along with U2's How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb!
John Nolan, New York, NY - USA

I'm surprised no-one's posted "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" by Tears For Fears yet. Or "Hold On To Your Friends" by Morrissey. Or for that matter, "America Is Not the World".
Phil Beharrell, London, UK

War. What is it good for? Seems appropriate somehow.
T Campbell-Smith, Fareham, UK

War of course! What's it good for?
Robert, Edinburgh, Scotland

Give Peace A Chance - John & Yoko
Adrian, Plymouth, UK

Perhaps he might listen to Elgar's Nimrod from Enigma Variations.
Gregory, Aberystwyth

"Public Speaking for Idiots" audio book.
Peter Morgan, Cardiff, Wales

English for beginners!
Gerard, Dublin

Tony Blair's current favourite is Iggy Pop's "I Wanna Be Your Dog".
Tim, Bangkok, Thailand

Idiot Wind, by Bob Dylan. Need I say more?
Andrea Castellano, Brooklyn, USA

Megalomaniac by Incubus.
Nick Mitchell, Milwaukee, WI

The theme tune of The Muppet Show.
Simon S, Oxon

R.E.M. - The End of The World As We Know It.
Barry Murphy, Galway, Ireland

"It's the End of the World as we know it" by R.E.M.
H Kim, Seoul, Korea

The Bravery's album - not only a great album but an ironic reminder of Bush's past 'bravery'. And also Green Day's American Idiot: An album with both a political message and a perfect description of Bush!
Paul, Newcastle

Get Back - the Beatles.
Graham Carmichael, Dubai, UAE

I bet he also has an 'aide' push the buttons on his 'High Pod'. If Al Gore invented the internet, why do all the addresses begin with a 'W'?
Phil Dagnan, London, UK

"Know Your Rights", by The Clash, "Fight The Power" by Public Enemy, "Masters Of War" by Bob Dylan, and the entire "Nebraska" album by Bruce Springsteen. Oh, and The Dixie Chicks.
Noel Phelan, Dublin, Ireland

He should definitely listen to the people of America and the rest of the world on his iPod, because he sure is not doing that the rest of the time.
Daryl Northrop, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

He should definitely throw some Alice Cooper into the mix. Then he'll really get the "hard core" he's looking for, some really great music, and a Republican-supporting musician.
K, Montreal, Canada

Eric Clapton - Tears in Heaven.
Lester, High Wycombe, UK

How about Monkey Man by the Specials?
Islay Reid, Montrose, Scotland

Outkast - 'B.O.B.' (Bombs Over Baghdad).
R Williams, Brighton

"Breathe in...breathe out...breath in..."
Gary Varga, Eccleshall

The Emperor In His War Room - Van der Graaf Generator.
Jeremy, Hampshire, UK

I think he should have "Where's Your Head At?" by Basement Jaxx.
Larelle Read, Luton, Beds

How about John Lennon's "Imagine"? A pretty nice choice for a president with a lot of imagination...He's tearing down borders alright.
Ognyan, Sofia, Bulgaria

That's an easy one: Edwin Starr's "War".
Adam, Rickmansworth, Herts

World Leader Pretend by REM
Martin, Warks, England

Rage Against the Machine's "Killin' in the name of" is all about him. I suggest he also listen to a little Willie Nelson, preferably "What ever happened to Peace on Earth", in order to remind himself of what his Christian beliefs are really supposed to support.
Saidhbhin, Dublin

Simon and Garfunkel's Scarborough Fair; Donovan's Universal Soldier, and John Lennon's Give Peace a Chance. That should make him fall off his bike, contributing in a modest way to making the world genuinely safe for (as opposed to from) democracy.
Deborah Hubbard, Pretoria, South Africa

Just so long as it's not the Chemical Brothers, 'Push The Button'....
Dom, London, UK

Anything from the Top Gun movie soundtrack. Duelling Banjo's. Mongoloid by Devo. War by Edwyn Star Suicide is Painless (Theme from Mash) That song by Randy Newman, 'Let's drop the big one there'll be no-one left to blame us' Hard hand to hold by Willy Mason Although possibly Mr Blair should be listening to that one.
David Coyle, Perth, Scotland

That's very trimmed down, although I tried to allow for some repetition to indicate what's being favored. It's interesting to see what BBC readers have to say, most of whom probably just found the site through Google.

I suggested "Screaming for Vengeance", 'cause he ought to be.

Tim Seeley of Manitoba, Canada, you're a good man.

Posted by Jeff at April 12, 2005 04:04 PM

Comments

This is Tim Seeley of Dauphin, Manitoba, Canada. I'm the one that signed the site above. I don't usually sign those things, but most of the comments really pissed me off, and are not indicative of the opinions of the people I hang around with, so felt obliged to leave my 2 cents. In any case, I stumbled onto your site, and thanks for the comment.

Yes, I agree Judas Priest's Screaming for Vengeance would also be a good song. Or, also by the Priest, how about "You've Got Another Thing Coming", or "United", or, going out to the leftie apologists with their heads stuck in the sand, "Dreamer Deceiver".

FACTA NON VERBA,
Tim

Posted by: Tim Seeley at April 20, 2005 11:50 AM


Nice to see you Tim, and congratulations on being able to lend your influence to that, shall we say, "exclusive" little list!

When reading the list, we're forced to wonder whether it gives an accurate picture of what people think of President Bush, or whether its skewed somehow. It would be nice to know.

Posted by: Jeff at April 20, 2005 04:50 PM


Green Day's 'Holiday' Obviously...

Posted by: Bambi at July 3, 2005 10:39 AM


'I'm an asshole'...don't know who sung it though...It sums him up perfectly.

Posted by: Lucy at July 3, 2005 10:49 AM


that was dennis leary. Well done, Lucy.

Posted by: Paul at July 3, 2005 08:05 PM


I realize that this is a repeat of a song choice, but does anyone find it odd that Hitler and Bush are so easily and aptly compared in Greenday's "American Idiot"? "Zeig Heil"--a common phrase used to salute Hitler is instead "Zeig Heil to the President Gasman."... "Bang bang goes the broken glass." Referencing both the destruction in our wars and the Kristalnacht (Night of Broken Glass) that Hitler saw through. "Kill all the fags that don't agree." Bush and his henchmen don't seem to have any use for people not agreeing with their let us kill them all attitude. Also Hitler had more than Jews killed. He had people who openly opposed him, were mentally challenged, were gyspies, and, yes, were homosexuals killed or put into the camps. And these are only a couple of poignant highlights. Is anyone else mildly disturbed?

Posted by: kat at July 27, 2005 06:41 PM


I made a mistake in my earlier comment. I meant to attribute the lyrics to "holiday" and say that they were found on the album "american idiot." My apologies.

Posted by: kat at July 27, 2005 06:46 PM


No, of course not. There are no valid comparisons of George W. Bush to Hitler other than things along the lines of them both having two noses, both two feet, both speak using their mouths, etc.

Posted by: Jeff at July 28, 2005 03:43 PM


The whole album is a double meaning:[Though I wonb't say the Jesus of Suburbia/Whatsername/Jimmy thing.]

American Idiot- an Anthem decipting the media influence in America
Jesus of Suburbia - The introduction to the first wave of rebels.
Holiday - Denotes the facism of America and how Bush goes to holidays.
Blvd. of Broken Dreams - Hopes lost, the Protests are useless.
Are we the Waiting - Says about if America is the best.
St. Jimmy - A new rebellious attempt to strike the match.
Give me Novacaine - Posers that believe in Bush's doings as right, and that they are seperated and stuff.
She's a Rebel - a True rebel reveals.
Extraordianry girl - None.
Wake me up - About the 9/11 and Iraq wars.
Letterbomb - How Protests failed.
Homecoming - Coming back to the Free America
Whatsername - none.

Posted by: Zero R. at September 25, 2005 10:02 PM


green day hates america and yet i like their songs i also have thoughts and reason to beleive they hate god too

Posted by: nick at January 1, 2006 03:50 PM


I don't think Green Day hates America. In fact, on their DVD "Bullet in a Bible", before they go into the song "Holiday", Billie Joe, the lead singer, says, "This song is NOT anti-American. It's anti-WAR." I don't think they say things to just be complaining or to demean our society, I think they want people to wake up to what's going on and not just to go by what they're told. They want people to form thier own opinions. That's my take, anyways.

Posted by: Stacie at January 6, 2006 05:14 PM


Personally I LOVE Green Day. I just think Billie(yes its spelled Billie NOT BILLY) its sorta weird knowing that he lives in Oakland, California,USA and he insults america in his songs so much

Posted by: Ben at January 15, 2006 06:32 PM


Someone in California bashing America?!!!

http://www.zombietime.com

Say it isn't so!

Posted by: Jeff at January 15, 2006 10:42 PM


how bout "me against the world" by 2pac

Posted by: Mat at January 20, 2006 10:27 PM


"american psyco"-d12

Posted by: mat at January 20, 2006 10:28 PM


I dont think greenday hates america i think there one of its greatest exports in the last number of years, the worlds a big place and i basically think there more pissed off with the average american thinking what broadcasts on cnn is gospal,

Posted by: a.hayes at January 28, 2006 05:49 AM


I am sick of this shit. Why does everyone feel its necessary to put down Bush. I actually kind of think its funny. Most of you people are sitting at home on your asses just trash talking him. While people like myself who are enlisted in the military support every move he's made. We have to, cause somewhere in the world right now, there is an attack being planned that will blow 9/11 out of the water. And what most people don't realize about being in Iraq is that it actually had alot to do with Iran. We have been trying to get to them for years, cause that's where the real threat is from. They are about the one country in the world that would be stupid enough to "Push the button" as people like to say, so we are trying to get in there and keep them from getting their hands on a nuke. The reason that we had to get through Iraq first is that if we went straight to Iran, Iraq would have hit us from behind. I am done with this crap, and I just want to say to President Bush you are doing an amazing job, keep it up, and if you could run in 08 I would vote for you.

Posted by: andrew at February 27, 2006 01:50 PM


hey im a fan of greenday, ive loved their music for years and im just refering 2 this guy..
Posted by Zero R. at September 25, 2005 10:02 PM

when he says he knows all tha meanings 2 the greenday songs.. haha i doubt he has any idea..
for example..
"Wake me up - About the 9/11 and Iraq wars."
thats wrong.. billy wrote it when he was 15 about his dad dying..
another example..
"Homecoming - Coming back to the Free America"
close but nah... its a song 4 the troops in Iraq coming home from war.
"Extraordianry girl - None."
ah yes well another mistake... this song is actually one in itself. its just about a break up billie may hav encountered, like every musik artist normally does.. like when it says, "shes all alone again, wiping the tears from her eyes" and "sum days he feels like dying"..
and one more..
"Whatsername - none"
yet again it has a meaning.. but doesnt every song?..??
well this one is just about those break ups wit girls u have and u cant get them off your mind... and in this case he is singing about a girl he has loved for a very long time and still cant get off his mind.. im not refering 2 billie when i say "he is singing" i just mean it has that in the background.. that its almost an anthem for the bitterly miserable unloved who could never snatch up the opportunity of getting who they truly love...
well i think thats it but mate..("Zero R").. dont go on thinkin u know what songs mean... when really u dont.. and also may i add... if any1 thinks this album is overly political.. it isnt really... billie joe himself sed "this album isnt really our most political, but i guess it has the most meaning and passion"..
well ive had my say.. catch

Posted by: Alex Miller at March 29, 2006 12:13 AM


Thank you Alex (Miller)....you are one of the few here speaking sense!

However, it must be said that we can all interpret songs the way we wish. The flaw that 'Zero R' made, is that s/he stated his interpretations as matter of fact.

It is said that the devil can quote the bible, so when 'Zero R' was looking for songs to express his political persuasions, it wouldn't have been too hard to find them in his reading of the songs, which are certainly, as Billie Joe said himself; full of "meaning and passion!" .

Whatever way you hear them;
Green Day are the Best!

Jamie.

Posted by: Jamie C. at April 1, 2006 02:33 PM


Alex, whatever way you want to interperate the album, you can't deny that there are strong political influences in all of the songs. It's true you can go waaaay overboard, and say things like Whatsername is about Bush's dislexea, but every song has hidden meanings, just because Billie doesn't say them on interviews doesn't mean they aren't there.

Cheers, Ben

Posted by: Ben F. at April 2, 2006 03:23 PM


How about Toxic by Britney Spears?

Posted by: Billy at April 12, 2006 07:23 PM


How interesting. Backtracking a little bit here, prior to the iPod deal . . . if you've never personally watched a man/woman/child be turned from a vibrant, living human being into a sack of meat, (or worse) then how in Hell do you presume to tell those who have that war is a good thing? War may be necessary, but it's NEVER "good." Bush, I fear. I fear for Western civilization when one man can capitalize on terror, rage, and pain in order to pursue his own political agenda that more than 50% of the U.S. disapproves. I find myself, in this particular situation, to more than a bit ashamed to be an American, if this is how we view ourselves and the rest of the world.

Posted by: Wes at April 21, 2006 07:49 AM


@Wes: The soldiers in Iraq strongly support the war in overwhelming numbers. Remember that. Live that. Speak that. And wear the t-shirt. It's the fact.

Posted by: Jeff at April 21, 2006 03:15 PM


On behalf of the USA, I accept your thanks for :
1:helping the UK fight off the germans (twice)
2:helping the french fight the germans (twice[and actually having to help liberate them once]
3:helping the russians fight off the germans (not to mention still helping to feed them)
4:helping the chinese fight off the japanese
5:helping the japanese and germans recover from a war (that they started with us)
6: trying to help the african nations that are always starving to death ( although they don't really seem to want to help themselves what with tribal warfare and genocide and all)
7:helping mexican earthquake victims (while the illegals come over our borders and wreak havoc with our social service programs)
8: helping Bin Laden fight off the russians back in the 80's (he sure learned how to put together a plan, boy I tell you!)
9:trying to help settle the middle east problems ( which, curiously enough, was started by the UN in 1948)and last but not least-
10: dishing out money to refugees from everywhere in the world who gladly accept our help but hate us to death anyways....hmmm....on second thought ,
next time any off you "liberated illuminati" need our help again, I hope this country does exactly what you have wanted all along: NOTHING!!
ps: call the UN and wait.....I mean, bosnia turned out ok, right?

Posted by: tony m at April 21, 2006 04:45 PM


And on behalf of the USA, I give thanks to:
1: U.K. for helping us fight off the Germans once
2: U.K. for helping us fight off the japanese once
3: France for helping us fight off the germans once
4: France for giving us a loan and helping us fight off the U.K. in the revolutionary war
5: Russia for helping us fight off the germans once
6: Mexico for helping to provide a cheap, dependable labor force for us while we attempt to block you off and pass moronic, idiotic legeslation against you
7: The middle east for providing us with oil at prices we set while we destroy your countries in idiotic wars on false pretences
8: The world for giving us loans that we will probably never pay back or if we do pay you back we will be sure to devalue the dollar before doing it
9: Tony Blair for being the American lapdog and following us in a costly, pointless, and unending war
10: Jesus for getting nailed to a piece of wood that way 2000 years later there can be a religion with a political party backing it that will shape the country into a nicely rounded turd

Posted by: Mike at April 30, 2006 06:05 PM


Bush is not someone that should be followed and how he finds time to listen to an i pod when he should be helping the people of his own country ie , the victims of hurricane katrina or resolving war in iraq and taking nukes away from iran .Jesus Christ is the person that Bush says he is following but its the sweet smell of money and crude oil that he is following .and i think he is listening to his own voice cos he seems to like it so much

Posted by: Conor at May 1, 2006 04:55 AM


Yo dats KLASS that Bush listins to an i-pod!!!! I do too! ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: Catherine at May 2, 2006 04:45 AM


Yo dats KLASS that Bush listins to an i-pod!!!! I do too! ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Catherine at May 2, 2006 04:45 AM


the guy named mike who posted a comment on april 30 is a faggot- get off your fat liberal ass and go exercise, or drink some bleach or something

Posted by: justin at May 2, 2006 02:08 PM


There are those who refer to opposition to this war as being unpatriotic and somehow not appearing to be in support of our troops. When in fact the situation is quite reverse. It is the flag wavers who follow with blinders on (The true American Idiots) that are those who are set against our men overseas by blindly keeping them there while supporting the traditions of their fathers following this administration hell or high water .Those that believe every word of a media controlled by our own government. All wars are about money ,power, and,religion. Usually in that order.Money always taking priority. It is those with an understanding of this principle that want our men home.While those who are in power also having this understanding control our troops. The soldier fights for honor , freedom, and country.There is nothing more honorable . Meanwhile ,those in office make a greedy haul using the media to campaign the war effort as some glorious cause but for their own selfish reasons.How many senators have their sons or daughters fighting this noble cause? Answer: 0 zero ! Do you think they know something most of us don't ? I believe Green Day is merely trying to wake up or attempt to bring some sense to those who (not can not)but, "will not " see . How many times do we have to change the story for being in Iraq? Do you honestly believe these stories? It only takes 8 wks to train troops here for battle. It is a prosperous and strategic position we will never give up.Thank You Billie Joe, Frank and Mike for your work !

Posted by: Rob at May 9, 2006 10:49 PM


Wow. Some one posted a hate post for thanking people on behalf of my country.

Posted by: Mike at June 1, 2006 07:34 PM


It's hipocritical to have a support our troops bumper sticker and a Bush/Cheney '04 bumper sticker on your car. Supporting our trops means you don't want them to die. If you don't want them to die bring them back home. Bush does not want to bring them back home and is therefor not supporting our troops. Peace is patriotic and Bush is not.

Posted by: Mike at June 1, 2006 07:45 PM


This is a bit late but I'd like to make mention that I believe kat made a mistake in saying that "Zeig Heil" is a common phrase used to salute Hitler. Well, I am pretty sure that the correct term is "Sieg Heil", which means "hail victory," while "Zeig Heil" means "show welfare" and is not usually associated with Hitler and the Nazis.

Posted by: Lucifer at June 8, 2006 12:08 AM


Thank You Mike ! How many times has the story been changed about why we are there? WMD,Stabilization of the Area, Starting a new Government, Iraqi Freedom, and of course, The War on Terror...something completely impossible to ever acheive, and that is exactly why ! Clinton may have fooled around with a fat chick but Bush screwed an entire country for his own back pocket. Of course the idiot is on an Ipod. Probably downloaded one of his own speeches to listen to.

Posted by: Rob at June 10, 2006 06:56 PM


From day one it was called, "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

No change there.

Posted by: Jeff at June 10, 2006 06:59 PM


Hitler had many supporters carrying banners, waving flags, many not knowing or caring to know his true nature or design. They simply wanted to follow ,and did as they were told because the majority ruled. If you spoke out or voiced your own opinion you were cosidered a traitor, you were sought out by government or the majority and shot or put away. Such seems the nature of those who wish a King to follow. I believe perhaps Billie Joe was making some reference to the followers of today.

Posted by: Rob at June 12, 2006 05:24 AM


@Rob: Those who apply the "traitor" epithet to dissenters are often correct about the dissenter's motives. Whether they are traitors or not depends upon the content of the dissenter's dissent. Further, whether dissent is actually good, or even for that matter *okay*, is a function of the content of the particular dissent.

http://www.veiled-chameleon.com/weblog/archives/000168.html

Many people in America would mis-characterize Bush supporters as "carrying banners, waving flags, many not knowing or caring to know his true nature or design[; followers who] simply wanted to follow, and did as they were told because the majority rule[s]".

That doesn't mean that you've provided a false analogy. I suspect that you've provided a good analogy, as the characterization of (many of) Hitler's supporters as "waving flags, many not knowing or caring to know his true nature or design[; t]hey simply wanted to follow, and did as they were told because the majority ruled" is probably also an oversimplified (and insulting) characterization of those followers, which is both designed and accepted because we want to see them as stupid and otherwise different from and inferior to ourselves.

Posted by: Jeff at June 12, 2006 10:44 AM


Nobody died when Clinton lied.

Posted by: Mike at June 14, 2006 09:11 PM


Actually Jeff, it was not called operation Iraqi freedom from day one. Initially it was called the protecting our country from WMDs, ie. nuclear, chemical, and biological weaponry. Then in December of 2004, after the election, the search for WMDs officially ended and Bush admitted that they had found no WMDs in Iraq. However he was quick to mention that the whole world thought there were WMDs in Iraq. I guess he must have forgotten about France and the United Nations. Then he said that it was Iraqi freedom. Then it wascapturing Saddham Hussein, hey wouldn't ya know it we actually did one of the things we said we would. Then it was and still is training the Iraqi troops. But interestingly enough, it only takes 2 months to train American troops. Yet we seemingly haven't been able to train Iraqi troops when it's been over 31 months since Saddham Hussein's capture. I wonder if the president isn't being completely honest with us.

Posted by: Mike at July 2, 2006 10:29 PM


@Mike: You are incorrect. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was the official name of the operation even before "day one", before a single shot by Americans was fired. And the war was about more than WMDs even from the time that congress authorized the president to use force against Iraq. Here, read this, you might learn something:

http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

From your perspective, sitting home and watching television, you might have had your own subjective interpretation of it being all about WMDs. In fact, your whole family may seem to have been under that impression. Your friends may seem to have been under that impression.

Believe me, Mike, *I* was not. The news stories I read did not limit themselves to discussions of WMDs. The speeches I heard the president give, and senators and congressmen from *both* political parties give, were not about WMDs only. I was never, even for a moment, left thinking that it was all about WMDs.

You cannot take your subjective characterization of events and use it to negate what others experience, no matter how much you may want to do so. Yes, I will freely admit into evidence that WMDs were part of the discussion. A big part. They weren't the only parts.

And the operation was called, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" from the beginning. That's an official term, an official label, and not merely something as insubstantial as a loose characterization of what people expected at the time.

Posted by: Jeff at July 3, 2006 02:59 AM


I've got a message to that guy named Mike. You are a complete dumbass to say that Bush is not patriotic. Bush is one of the most patriotic people I've known of. Green Day is not patriotic. They've hated Bush since before he was elected and they just used the war as an excuse to hate him even more. They are just a bunch of sore losing, anti-american, liberal shitheads. Just like you. And Bush is the one protecting our country from terrorists. Green Day isn't. Billie Joe is the one who called himself a rock and roll terrorist. The bastard.

Posted by: Tague Wilkins at August 1, 2006 02:19 PM


Oh and if Green Day really followed politics correctly, they would know that the media is actually against Bush. They didn't influence America. So that song American Idiot is full of shit and so is Green Day.

Posted by: Tague Wilkins at August 1, 2006 02:25 PM


I just want to say thank you to Rob and Mike. You make very good points and I agree 100 percent with you guys. Jeff, you annoy me but the world is full of people like you, and at least you are willing to argue on your side. Tague Wilkins, you are not arguing or debating anything. Debates involve intelligent conversation and good points. All you're saying is you think they're wrong and you hate Green Day. If you think they're wrong explain why. Don't just sit there name calling, how old are you anyway? Green Day did not do anything wrong when they voiced their opinions. They did it in a very respectable manner. If you don't like it, don't listen. If Billie Joe called himself a rock and roll terrorist I'm SURE he didn't mean it in the sense you're thinking. I think Bush is the terrorist here. He's the one starting things. Billie Joe Armstrong has done nothing wrong to speak his mind. America is all about freedom of speech, right? So speaking up is one of the most patriotic things someone can do and if you have a problem with anything I just said please by all means feel free to say so. But please be able to back up whatever you say with proof and logic instead of name calling. I DARE you.

Posted by: Shelley Baker at August 11, 2006 01:19 AM


I just want to say thank you to Rob and Mike. You make very good points and I agree 100 percent with you guys. Jeff, you annoy me but the world is full of people like you, and at least you are willing to argue on your side. Tague Wilkins, you are not arguing or debating anything. Debates involve intelligent conversation and good points. All you're saying is you think they're wrong and you hate Green Day. If you think they're wrong explain why. Don't just sit there name calling, how old are you anyway? Green Day did not do anything wrong when they voiced their opinions. They did it in a very respectable manner. If you don't like it, don't listen. If Billie Joe called himself a rock and roll terrorist I'm SURE he didn't mean it in the sense you're thinking. I think Bush is the terrorist here. He's the one starting things. Billie Joe Armstrong has done nothing wrong to speak his mind. America is all about freedom of speech, right? So speaking up is one of the most patriotic things someone can do and if you have a problem with anything I just said please by all means feel free to say so. But please be able to back up whatever you say with proof and logic instead of name calling. I DARE you.

Posted by: Shelley Baker at August 11, 2006 01:19 AM


I just want to say thank you to Rob and Mike. You make very good points and I agree 100 percent with you guys. Jeff, you annoy me but the world is full of people like you, and at least you are willing to argue on your side. Tague Wilkins, you are not arguing or debating anything. Debates involve intelligent conversation and good points. All you're saying is you think they're wrong and you hate Green Day. If you think they're wrong explain why. Don't just sit there name calling, how old are you anyway? Green Day did not do anything wrong when they voiced their opinions. They did it in a very respectable manner. If you don't like it, don't listen. If Billie Joe called himself a rock and roll terrorist I'm SURE he didn't mean it in the sense you're thinking. I think Bush is the terrorist here. He's the one starting things. Billie Joe Armstrong has done nothing wrong to speak his mind. America is all about freedom of speech, right? So speaking up is one of the most patriotic things someone can do and if you have a problem with anything I just said please by all means feel free to say so. But please be able to back up whatever you say with proof and logic instead of name calling. I DARE you.

Posted by: Shelley Baker at August 11, 2006 01:19 AM


sorry posted that three times!

Posted by: Shelley Baker at August 11, 2006 01:21 AM


cause it's three times as important!! ok j/k

Posted by: Shelley Baker at August 11, 2006 01:23 AM


War by System Of A Down

Posted by: poopie head at September 3, 2006 05:12 AM


I am a Republican. I voted for Bush, but I do take issue with a lot of what the man hase done. However, I think that what most people miss is the perspective of our opponents in the war on terror and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

In the war on terror, our opponents are bent on the submission of the world to the "truth" of their version of Islam. What should scare us even more is that included is a cult of death. It is highly regarded in the Muslim world to die in the battle for Islam. Further, there is no respect for the life of the infidel.

When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intimates that he would drop the bomb on Israel, he tells the world that he would sacrifice a million plus arabs to make this portion of the world a nuclear wasteland, and that this would be justified to destroy the jews, whose one desire is to live in peace (argue that as you may). He holds the US in no higher regard. While he may be full of hot air, I don't think he is. Iran's actions certainly are in line with his words.

In the war in Iraq, what we toppled was a Baathist regime. The Baathists are otherwise known as National Socialists, with a similar world view to the party of the same name that ruled Germany in the 1930s and early 40s. These are not lovers of freedom. And while we may have started a war and stirred civil strife in Iraq, I would guess that fewer people have been lost in this effort than were swallowed by Saddam's government. Yes, we have lost American lives we might not have otherwise, but we might want to look at the total loss of life when we make calculations about a war.

If some form of freedom or democracy does have a chance in the non-Jewish Middle East, it is worth the risk of trying to make it happen. I predict that it could save us a lot in military spending down the road.

Posted by: David Herz at September 12, 2006 06:15 PM


Here is a website that deserves the honor and attention of all. www.fallenherosmemorial.com since there is no formal national recognition permitted on the air. A Patriot is a person who fights for the cause of right and justice for all.Again, there is nothing more honorable than such . Heads of Government however do not always follow this concept as we. Patriots fought to remove ourselves from Tyranny and made ourselves a free country.They did not follow the course of a leader who was set upon his own riches. Iraq has not known freedom in thousands of years. While it is a nice thought, it must be earned by them. No one can do it for them. The war on terror is simply a metaphor. It is not a place or specific point of reference.It is simply a term used to deploy troops where the cause of goverment may lie. While it was necessary to remove Sadaam, occupation and control of anothers country is not how you win freedom.Instead it may cause civil war. There were other ways besides diplomacy to remove such a threat specifically and we all know that. While it is too late now, if perhaps we had merely removed the initial threat and instead built our borders and invested in alternative fuels we would be likely be far better off by now. South American pays 25 cents a gallon for alternative fuel. But we did not go to war over oil did we?

Posted by: Rob at September 13, 2006 11:10 PM


I have to say I'm not American, but I visited only a month ago and can give you guys a WORLD view on all this. I can tell you it's fact that the majority of my counrty HATE Bush, he's an idiot who isn't ignorant, but purposefully harms others for his own benefit. Just watch Farenheit 9/11. I love Michael Moore. But even before I'd watched the film... since before 9/11... I have suppote the Democrats. And to reply to Tague:

Patriotism is support for your nation. Not your leader. Is it not possible for a Democratic family who has lived in the US for 200 years to be patriotic when Bush is in power? I would argue that Bush works for his own benefit, not America's. Therefore he is not patriotic. If Green Day were not patriotic, they never would have released any albums. Their music is politically focused. They argue against Bush BECAUSE they are patriotic. They love their country but hate what your idiot of a president has done to it. I don't blame them. And if a Democrat came into power and ruined everything you had come to value, wouldn't you as a Republican do the same?
Thanks Mike & co for your SENSIBLE contributions.

Posted by: Rachel at September 15, 2006 05:04 AM


Thank You Rachel for the viewpoints of someone from the outside looking in. As you know, we are a nation of immigrants from the whole of the world. I personally believe it is important that every American might visit another country to gather the perspective of us from the outside. To have appreciation for what we have and to realize what is being taken away from us by fear propaganda. There are many of us in this country who love our country, and our military men and women who protect us. But we are as you have said not permitted express it as we would most like, as is dictated to us by this current regime. The world is not a business and should not be run like one! Our Country is One Nation under GOD. As is evident by our tender and our people.There is also only one flag that flies above our Stars and Stripes in our military. "The Church Pennant" . God protect our people where our leaders will not !

Posted by: Rob at September 21, 2006 09:01 AM


that is kool that some of you like green day... cuz they really were the only band to speak out about the war and politics, because no bands were brave enough to say anyting about it... so that is all i have to say... why waste your time on that bastard...ha

Posted by: cal at October 17, 2006 06:51 PM


Thanks, Rob!
I have to say, you have a beautiful country - over the last two years I have spent a total of eight weeks in the US. The people can be very friendly, and the scenery is breathtaking. It just came as a shock, however, especially this year, to find a nation of people SCARED of their government - anyone we tried to talk to regarding politics refused to converse further... Also, the attitude that you are all 'at war' was unnerving. It was frightening to visit such a paranoid region - security everywhere, and civilians scared of the authorities...

Posted by: Rachel at October 19, 2006 04:06 AM


Andrew, really, do you think this war is for freedom and peace? You're wrong, this war is for money and power, and you're one of the pieces in this game.
Mr Bush is a big hen-pecked wife for all the big companies.... Money Andrew that's the true

Posted by: Jose at November 7, 2006 12:32 PM


Remember tbat one third of the population in America are believers/followers of Jesus Christ too. The majority actualy believe that Bush is Gods man for the hour (I am Australian so i cant realy have my opinion on this). Think. Jesus tought peace, love, freedom(of spirit), peace(of heart/mind), etc.
Does it look like President Bush follows Him to you?

Posted by: Tristan at November 23, 2006 03:08 AM


But still Andrew has a vallid point

Posted by: Tristan at November 23, 2006 03:10 AM


Hey - this comment is for people who are strongly opposed to any comments that compare Bush to Hitler. It isn't so much in their demeanor, nor their politics of hate. Their similarities stem from playing on people's fear and lack of knowledge. Further more, who (meaning america) are we to critique anyone's government? Don't get me wrong, our country is AMAZING, but we, and our government, are not without fault. Some cultures and societies are not able to embrace what we know as a "democracy" in their countries. Our government doesn't always know what's best - I would like to also state that Bush should do his homework before he invades random countries and starts demanding things. Look what happened to Israel/Palestine when people didn't consider cultures in the 1950s. The world doesn't need anymore situations like that.

Posted by: Kyle at November 30, 2006 03:46 PM


this is such a joke, learn about freemasonry newbs

Posted by: lmao at December 5, 2006 02:56 PM


I'm from Zaragoza(Spain)and I only wants to send a letter to Billie Joe. He's a person very very special for me

Posted by: marina at December 16, 2006 03:46 AM


STAR WARS' imperial march IS ON THERE AND THAT IS ALLLLL THAT MATTERS! I LOOOOOOVE THAT SONG! ITS SO...COMMANDING

Posted by: Rich the destroyer at December 20, 2006 02:47 PM


okay seriously now, i think america should have gone to iraq. if the un doesn't want to do anything someone should. just think of it like this. the un=police. iraq=house with several people living in it. america=vigilante. if the house has people abusing people inside the house, the police should interfere. if they dont, SOMETHING should be done a.k.a. the vigilante. NO ONE SHOULD ALLOW UNJUSTICES TO CONTINUE IN THE WORLD!

Posted by: Rich teh destroyer at December 20, 2006 02:51 PM


always some peeps happy to bag our leadership a bit eh, jumping on the lets blame someone for something bandwagon. .months later.

Posted by: jordan at January 22, 2007 04:54 AM


why is billie joe sooooooo effing sexy, i mean dont get me wrong but he is the sex god of all eternity!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: sami at April 19, 2007 04:47 AM


oh and another thing BUSH IS AN ASS.woohoo got thet off ma chest. :)

Posted by: sami at April 19, 2007 04:49 AM


you know 1 bumper sticker said that dont let john karrey gore your guns YEA RIGHT i wit u sami

Posted by: johny at April 29, 2007 07:51 PM


to the poster, Andrew. Your assinine way of thinking is quite the obvious, posting a kudos message to Bush. Why would he bein here reading whatever the hell you have to say. He doesn’t care about you. That's why you’re a$$ will be shipped off again soon. Another pawn to his ominous objectives. Stupid-A$$. You're the kind that makes this country look completeiy ignorant.

Posted by: andrewisanass at June 19, 2007 01:43 PM


:) AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI (LOL) ok so i am wonderin if u will trade our John Howard, who totally sux up bush's butt, for greenday? aaaaw c'mon mate! where's the spirit, ok keep John Howard, our prime minister and we will throw ina few free kangaroo's, (good eatin btw, lmao)

Posted by: Leanne at June 20, 2007 05:50 PM


Leanne, who let you out of your cage?

Posted by: Roger at June 28, 2007 07:49 AM


Ok first off Im an Australian Soldier on temporary leave from Iraq and Iam proud of my countries history in war whether it be supporting Britain or the United States of America. I believe in democracy and I honestly believe that John Howard and George Bush are doing what anyone in thier right mind would do in their situation. I mean think of it like this.... Yes we did supply Suddam with weapons and helped him with his war against Iran, completely oblivious to his future intentions. Yes we did support Kuwait when invaded by Iraq and Yes we did support the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Is that wrong? NO

Politicians are f@#$heads fro having their own agenda in what they do, but also thier actions are supposed to reflect thier nations standpoint of government. George Bush is my hero... In my view he has stood up for what all freedom loving democrats should stand up for...The invasion of Iraq had some shitty reasons behind it along with the medias representation of reality and the "War for Oil" bullsh*t. Personally i believe that The War on Terror is neccessary and to ensure that Iraqis get a fair go in democratic society and are fre from the clutches of tyranny and oppression their must be conflict. Face it the only way to get through to these f*cking terrorist extremist scumbags is with my F88 Austeyr and an Australian Flag.

I joined the military when i was 17 and was one of the first to be sent to help the invasion of Iraq when i was 21. I cannot comment on some of the things ive seen and heard, but i can tell you the war is a neccessary thing. Yes alot of people suffered at the hands of the USA and Australian Military but Iraq is a nation full of undecided people. They are undecided whether they are to follow us into freedom or go with the ways they have been brought up from birth to understand. The reality in Iraq for me is that anyone and every Iraqi citezen is in need of help but also they are a potential enemy....

Posted by: Dook at August 15, 2007 08:14 PM


^----an interesting post.

Posted by: Jeff at August 15, 2007 10:11 PM


Oh My God! You are so stupid. If you think Green Day and Democrats with their "liberal" agenda are unpatriotic than you have a major reality check coming to ya. THe right to freedom of speech and press qualify under this subject. Green Day can say what they want and write what they want. The patriot act has nothing to do with being patriotic. Unless patriotism means that you get arrested without a lawyer and wiretapping is legal. This war is now necessary, but the constant conservative sniping at the liberal "enemies" is not. Bill O'Reilly is not a hero. So shut up unless you consider the fact that yes being in Iraq sucks but now we have to be there, and the fact that we are *all* Americans and we all get a thrill through our spine when we hear the Star Spangled Banner. Get along for once!

Posted by: wyatt at November 15, 2007 09:05 PM


Greenday's songs are awesome, but face the truth, they hate America, Bush, and themselves. No offense to Billie Joe, but he is 'incapable' of writing songs about positive things. Go Greenday!!!

Posted by: Dilbert Jones at February 2, 2008 08:04 PM


yeah billie probably does hate america i do ever since we got a new presidant he hasnt done a god danm thing! im with billie on this one,go green day

Posted by: becca at November 28, 2009 01:23 AM


Let me just say to everyone, I strongly apologize for the stupid, over reactive comments I posted in '06. I should have used more intelligent debate and points and should have shown respect for the other person's belief. The truth is Green Day are actually my favorite band in the world even though I don't agree with their politics. In the future I intend to handle myself more intelligently and more respectfully.

Posted by: Tague at April 1, 2010 10:38 PM


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