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June 03, 2005

Michael Moore Hates America

Michael Moore Hates America

Okay, I just watched Michael Moore Hates America. It was quite worthwhile. Penn Jillette, from "Penn and Teller Bullshit" (a show I've never actually seen) made some rather long winded and very very good points about morality and right and wrong. He supported, strongly, my contention that the left is about about abandoning what's right in order to accomplish "the good" - according to their own subjective values of what's good. Consider these admonitions:

It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

The ends don't justify the means.

Those themes come up a lot in this movie.

And what a difference the movie paints, as well, between the optimistic, self-responsible, realism of the people on the "right", as compared to the pessimistic vitriol which we've come to expect from the people on the left. The movie starts out with this very theme, with the director pointing out that his parents had instilled in him the idea that he could make of himself and be anything that he wanted to be in America, and that he wants to pass that on to his daughter. But he's angry at Michael Moore...because Michael Moore has come along and told his daughter that she can't be anything she wants to be, because there are some evil, sinister people running corporations who prevent her from doing so. He then points out that Moore does the same with black skinned people, and that every black skinned person who buys into Moore's pessimism has been handicapped by Moore. And that's true.

Anyway, if you're interested, you can buy the movie from Amazon, or you can rent it from Netflix, as two options to getting the movie. It's worthwhile.

Posted by Jeff at June 3, 2005 11:12 PM


I love the cockatiel site....looks great. I take it it's your creation?


Posted by: kenny at June 6, 2005 11:03 AM

i think people on either side of the left/right fence who make stupid, senseless character assassinations on people from the other side, based on no more than their poilitical inclinations, are half of the problem

Posted by: buzz at July 28, 2006 08:27 AM

Comment that no one is likely to read (due to the age of the post), but I was hunting for "Penn Jillette" and "liberal" just to see who I could find whining about some of the Bullshit episodes (Family Values, Religion, etc. [Penn Jillette and Conservative turns up lots of people whining about the Gun Control and Second-Hand Smoke episodes, for the record]).

Be careful when characterizing Penn with statements such as "He supported, strongly, my contention that the left is about about abandoning what's right in order to accomplish "the good" - according to their own subjective values of what's good."

P&T both believe that the left AND the right have cocked up everything. You've got the right to your opinion, but don't take Penn out of context in order to support it.

Posted by: P&T Fan at August 23, 2006 05:03 AM

I think that what I said is an accurate characterization of what Penn said, and the context is built in. My statement pertains to "The American Left". It says nothing about "The American Right", and therefore you cannot assume anything, at all, period, end of conversation, about the American right from it. Thus your statement that, "P&T both believe that the left AND the right have cocked up everything" (made as if the phrase, "AND the right", is of any consequence) is completely unrelated to anything that I said. Instead it is a complete change of subject.

Posted by: Jeff at August 23, 2006 12:19 PM

So... this is old. You saw this film in oh-five. I just rented it last week, and here's an interesting anecdote:

The next morning, I shot my dad (self-proclaimed Liberal, nauseating fan of Michael Moore) an email, telling him this movie was great. Low-budget and somewhat cheesy, but great. I told him the main theme of the film was that the "American Dream" isn't something you get handed to you when you enter the country; it's a concept, a state of mind, the idea that your life is what you make of it. You can accomplish anything you put your mind to.

His response?

"I'm not falling for your Libertarian/Republican bullcrap!"

Uh. Okay, dad. I guess you're right. Life really *does* suck, and you'll never be able to accomplish anything. Thanks for the dose of [Liberal] reality.

Posted by: Stephanie at December 4, 2006 10:29 PM

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